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. republicans want to move away from these pentagon cuts and put pressure on the president to come up with new cuts. karl rove recommended that today in the "wall street journal." >> pentagon is 20% of our federal budget. if you're going to make cuts in spending that's not entitlements you have to -- >> ding, ding, ding, that's not entitlements. can we make entitlement cuts? >> sequestration doesn't deal with it. >> the president will never do entitlement cuts. >> here's the reality. we saw the gdp growth numbers decline in the last quarter of 2012 because of the contraction in federal government spending. >> that's primarily in the military. >> the private-sector economy has grown 5%. they weathered these cuts. >> ed rogers i want to go back to one fundamental point regarding my sermon on the mound. i really believe that any time you can cut spending and limit government that is good for the economy. that is why fundamentally apart from the numbers and getting in the weed for all these debates i think that this is a pro growth move and that's the reason why i want the republicans to hang toug
care benefit system in the pentagon needs to be overhauled and that these are where major savings are and that's where we should aim for, that the pentagon cannot be immune from this exercise. >> i wouldn't disagree at all. i think you can debate what kind of military defense strategy you wish, what kind of forces you plan on having, their technology, their training levels, all that should be on the table. but you've got to do it in a rational way. you've got to act like it's a business. the whole notion of cutting billions of dollars out of the defense budget, i just read one of the pundits announcing you can cut the defense budget by 2/3 and it wouldn't affect national security. and that all of this is political theater. it's anything but political theater. you know, dr. ash carter, the deputy's a very rational, bright fellow. very experienced. the chiefs of the services just testified under oath. they said this is going to be a big problem. and i think it is. >> and i agree with the general. because again, as i said, i'm not saying not to do cuts but let's do it smart. let's no
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